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    Default what do underhand front raises do

    Which muscles do these work out? Chest/Shoulders?

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    Shoulders, namely the Anterior Deltoid (front delt.) If you're benching, I think they're a waste of time as bench press works the anterior deltoid pretty good!
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    This would be with dumbells. . effective?

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    Check out the front delts of this guy, powerlifter Konstantin Konstantinovs.

    I'm 99.9999% sure he has never done front delt raises with reverse grip, bb or db in his life.

    Keep on progressing in your bench and you will get massive front delts.

    Doing front raises with 10kg dumbbells isn't going to get you massive delts, benching 100kg+ is.
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    Depending on how you do underhand front DB raises they can be for the anterior deltoid or they can be a focus on the upper peck. When bringing the palms together at the peak of the movement in front of you its a good contraction on the upper pecks. When going more straight it hits the anterior deltoids more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsn8o View Post
    Check out the front delts of this guy, powerlifter Konstantin Konstantinovs.

    I'm 99.9999% sure he has never done front delt raises with reverse grip, bb or db in his life.

    Keep on progressing in your bench and you will get massive front delts.

    Doing front raises with 10kg dumbbells isn't going to get you massive delts, benching 100kg+ is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsn8o View Post
    Shoulders, namely the Anterior Deltoid (front delt.) If you're benching, I think they're a waste of time as bench press works the anterior deltoid pretty good!
    I don't agree with this logic.
    The over head press targets the anterior deltoid.
    By this logic OHP is a waste of time.
    And the OHP is definitely not a waste of time. It is an important and valuable lift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJosh View Post
    I don't agree with this logic.
    The over head press targets the anterior deltoid.
    By this logic OHP is a waste of time.
    And the OHP is definitely not a waste of time. It is an important and valuable lift.
    That's not quite what I'm saying though.

    If you want to work your chest, why do 10kg flys when you can do bigger & better exercises like bench press or dips? Achieving training economy also!

    If you want to build the anterior deltoid, Bench + OHP really is enough IMO. I personally think front raises aren't needed. Especially for a noob who just has to smell a gym to grow.

    This is only my opinion that I apply to my training philosophy, OP should definitely take what I say keeping that in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsn8o View Post
    That's not quite what I'm saying though.

    If you want to work your chest, why do 10kg flys when you can do bigger & better exercises like bench press or dips? Achieving training economy also!

    If you want to build the anterior deltoid, Bench + OHP really is enough IMO. I personally think front raises aren't needed. Especially for a noob who just has to smell a gym to grow.

    This is only my opinion that I apply to my training philosophy, OP should definitely take what I say keeping that in mind.
    Agreed. Just wanted to clarify.

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    if you cant bench more than 225 at least then there is no point in doing direct shoulder work IMO. Benching, overhead press, and rows will be enough to work your entire shoulder. the shoulder is a relativly small muscle anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docthal View Post
    if you cant bench more than 225 at least then there is no point in doing direct shoulder work IMO. Benching, overhead press, and rows will be enough to work your entire shoulder. the shoulder is a relativly small muscle anyway
    A few clarifications:

    Overhead pressing = direct shoulder work. Overhead pressing is awesome and will help build your shoulders. There is no bench number that signifies when someone should work their shoulders. A balanced training routine will have upper body work in all planes (push, pull, overhead press).

    The shoulders might not be huge muscles on most people, but they play a significant part in all upper body exercises and should be trained. In fact, if you train hard and eat big, your shoulders won't be "small muscles" at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MC View Post
    A balanced training routine will have upper body work in all planes (push, pull, overhead press).
    ^ This.

    Balance.

    I will also add that in general the front delts get enough work from pressing movements. You rarely find a seasoned bodybuilder with weak front delts. I personally don't think direct front work is ever needed. But if someone wants to do it for fun, have at it.
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