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    Default Is it possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time?

    I mean it's a theory. I know you need a surplus to gain muscle and a deficit to lose fat, but can you just eat at a deficit and eat enough protein to gain muscle?

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    generally speaking, no

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    I think you can do a little body recomp...I have stayed at same body weight 183-186, while losing an inch on my waist and increasing strength levels....
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    Maybe not professionally, but for a beginner, I think it would make a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teoman861 View Post
    I mean it's a theory. I know you need a surplus to gain muscle and a deficit to lose fat, but can you just eat at a deficit and eat enough protein to gain muscle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teoman861 View Post
    Maybe not professionally, but for a beginner, I think it would make a change.

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    confused?? are you answering your own question?
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    No, just agreeing on your answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDJoe View Post
    I think you can do a little body recomp...I have stayed at same body weight 183-186, while losing an inch on my waist and increasing strength levels....
    This is happening to me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by teoman861 View Post
    I mean it's a theory. I know you need a surplus to gain muscle and a deficit to lose fat, but can you just eat at a deficit and eat enough protein to gain muscle?

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    In one word, yes.

    I've done it, HDJoe and Frither above have/are doing it (haha, that so comes across wrong ); so, yes, you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5kgLifter View Post
    In one word, yes.

    I've done it, HDJoe and Frither above have/are doing it (haha, that so comes across wrong ); so, yes, you can.
    Lol ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5kgLifter View Post
    In one word, yes.

    I've done it, HDJoe and Frither above have/are doing it (haha, that so comes across wrong ); so, yes, you can.
    hahahahahahahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday39 View Post
    generally speaking, no
    This
    Caloric Surplus = Muscle Gain
    Caloric Deficit= Weightloss/fatloss:

    The key thing on top of your training would be making sure your diet matches your goal and eating adequate calories to obtain that goal.

    If Cutting Read the following:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ss-part-1.html
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ss-part-2.html

    I highly suggest you read here regarding your diet:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-1.html
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-2.html

    And also my article regarding fatloss on the site:

    http://www.muscleandstrength.com/for...Look-Your-Best


    If Trying to add some size:


    Eat in a caloric surplus, meaning eating more kcals than you need to maintain in order to gain muscle, size, and strength.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...mass-gain.html
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...-gains-qa.html
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...ass-gains.html
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...ass-gains.html

    Philosophies, Macro intake, training , and cardio articles for you to understand and help set up what you need to do before moving forward towards more supplements or advanced workout routines.
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    The OP is getting conflicting info in here, with the answers of "yes" and "no" what the OP needs to bear in mind is that those saying it is possible are the ones that have done it...and for anyone to say that it's not possible is just a case of arguing with solid fact which I don't comprehend at all, had it been a myth or a grey area, then yes, debate the point but to categorically outright say it cannot be done after people have said they are doing it and have done it, is to call them liars.

    You can say there are variables which must all fall in to place in order for it to occur but can't say that it isn't possible when people are doing it

    I would say that the closer you get to borderline extreme low bodyfat levels, the more improbable it would be, but in every other scenario, it's possible.



    Now, the argument may rear its head as to what changes did occur and whether people saw take place what they claim, but to that I say if you disagree then you'd have to say that Doug's bodyfat thread is hogwash and pointless (which it isn't) because I had my details sorted through that thread and it came out that I had gained 1.5 lb of lean mass and lost 1.5 lb of fat, simultaneously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5kgLifter View Post
    The OP is getting conflicting info in here, with the answers of "yes" and "no" what the OP needs to bear in mind is that those saying it is possible are the ones that have done it...and for anyone to say that it's not possible is just a case of arguing with solid fact which I don't comprehend at all, had it been a myth or a grey area, then yes, debate the point but to categorically outright say it cannot be done after people have said they are doing it and have done it, is to call them liars.

    You can say there are variables which must all fall in to place in order for it to occur but can't say that it isn't possible when people are doing it

    I would say that the closer you get to borderline extreme low bodyfat levels, the more improbable it would be, but in every other scenario, it's possible.



    Now, the argument may rear its head as to what changes did occur and whether people saw take place what they claim, but to that I say if you disagree then you'd have to say that Doug's bodyfat thread is hogwash and pointless (which it isn't) because I had my details sorted through that thread and it came out that I had gained 1.5 lb of lean mass and lost 1.5 lb of fat, simultaneously.
    ^^ this all day...if people are doing it how can one say it can't be done.
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    go back to my original answer:

    generally speaking, no it can't be done
    variables to keep in mind:
    obese/overfat lifters can do it for breif periods
    novice lifters can do it for breif periods
    AAS users can do it

    another thing to keep in mind is that we aren't using accurate measures. the only accurate way to measure bodyfat is by autopsy and nobody in this thread has gone through that
    some people also make the mistake of thinking that since their bodyfat % has decreased, then they must have lost fat. that's not always the case. you can actually gain fat mass and have your bf% decrease

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday39 View Post
    some people also make the mistake of thinking that since their bodyfat % has decreased, then they must have lost fat. that's not always the case. you can actually gain fat mass and have your bf% decrease
    Generally speaking, and just quoting your post for the reference point, no other reason...


    This would also mean that lean mass gain % are inaccurate, so the whole concept of readings is flawed...which I'm not disagreeing with, just stating that people can't say that bodyfat hasn't decreased and then accept the reading of lean gain as accurate...can't have their cake and eat it, so to speak.

    The fact that body measurements had also decreased indicates that bodyfat had decreased.

    The numeric are only there as guides, for the most part, and I don't believe that any measuring tool is accurate, in that sense, since even a smidgen of air in the lungs can and has been shown to throw off readings in hydrostatic bodyfat readings, which are considered to be the most accurate readings a person can have.

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    You can decrease your body fat % while adding bodyfat. If this blew your mind, refer to my traps.

    If you are sitting at 20% bodyfat, add 10 pounds of muscle and 2 pounds of fat it will drop your overall percentage ever so slightly. Additionally, you will look a hell of a lot better.

    Now, consider adding 5 pounds of muscle and dropping 10 pounds of fat, easily doable by a novice trainee. For a 200 pounder starting out at 20% bf, this brings you down to around 15%. Once you get very low, things get tough. But a lot can be done in the upper ranges.
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    i think its very possible, but its a much slower process and i think you'll also miss out on gains

 

 

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