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    Question I Need Your Opinion!!! ANYONE EVERYONE

    I will make this as short as possible. I would like to build my body to be able to pass ranger training or even better be able to become a pararescuemen. I would like to know your opinion on weather boxing or weight lifting will help me more toward the expressed end. I am 18, in 11th grade, and weigh 130 at 5'11". I would get a 4 year degree before joining ether branch so I have some time. If I started weight training I would be doing workouts with a friend who has been training for about 2 years. He tends to think hard weight training will give me the best, fastest, most results.

    Weight training workouts would consist of bench press, squats, dead lifts, running on my track team, calisthenics, and I know there will be more but I don't know what they are called *facepalm*. My friend would probably help me to start with.

    I have found a boxing gym and attended classes. Their 3 hour workout is at follows: 1 hour running up and down hills, at least 5 different types of abdominal exercises 10+ reps with 3 sets, 105+ calf raises in sets of 35 reps, 100+ pushups in sets of 10 with 15+ jumping jacks in between, tire flipping 30+min. There are many more exercises; too many to list.

    I am having trouble deciding because boxing struck me as fitting well with what will be required of me in ranger school, but I also feel like I need to bulk up which weight lifting will help me with. Maybe I am missing something and I can bulk up while I box. I want to pick the way that will give me the best results the fastest so I can become my best physically and mentally by the time I enlist. I am willing to work Hard. I would appreciate any help you can give me.

    FYI: I posted on a Airforce SF forum and this is a response i got:

    "Ok first off don't be concerned so much with bulking up, when I first started training before I enlisted I was 6'0" 145 now I'm 6'0" 175 and I had an easier time at 145 pushing reps than I do now. Not saying avoid bulk but weight will come don't stress on putting it on.

    Also, I can't speak for all the SOF career fields but the AF doesn't use weight training in the pipeline for its jobs. Weight training is a great thing on days you want to mix it up but you will be doing more pull ups and pushups than bench press and dead lifts in the pipeline.

    Another thing to consider is this, according to your post you have 4-5 years before you attempt at something like this. Do one program for a month or two and then change to something else till you find what works for you. The biggest thing is be aware of your body, take care of it and don't hurt yourself and remember you are what you eat. You can do all the exercise you want but without a good diet its futile."

    Other answers were similar. I am wanting to know if I started weight training would I be able to get to a point in a few years that I could do pushup after pushup and laugh at you while I do it? As well as situps, pullups, and flutter kicks? Can you ,since you started gaining, do these exercises well? Can you do 72 proper form reps of any one of them ,besides pullups, in 2 min? Do you feel like Weight training will help you, or me, get to that point? The fighting that comes with boxing is secondary to me as is the physique that bodybuilding gives. I just want to preform well in training, and if weight training can give me that I want to know. Thanks for your time and patience!

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    I won't read all your post. Because I am lazy! But if you want to build strength then boxing training is not for you. Boxing is about speed, technique, stamina and strength.

    General weight lifting however can be focused solely towards strength. Power lifting or Olympic lifting may also be better.

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    I don't think you'll get better advice than you got from the Airforce forum.

    However, I'd suggest that planning your career at the age of 18 is fairly ambitious, go to uni, study hard, meet new people, share ideas with them, join a sports team, join a non sports team, travel, if after 3 years of uni you still want to become a ranger or pararescueman, then go ahead.

    Whilst at uni, join a gym, pick a really simple workout routine you can fit around your life, studying and sport. Something like starting strength, or stronglifts (progressing in your second year to 5/3/1 or similar). They'll get you in the gym 3 times a week for less than an hour at a time and will pack on a huge amount of strength over your time at uni. If you want to get bigger then you'll need to eat more food. Try to stick to gaining a pound a week as an absolute max. Unless you're pumped full of steroids any more will just be fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardis View Post
    I am wanting to know if I started weight training would I be able to get to a point in a few years that I could do pushup after pushup and laugh at you while I do it? As well as situps, pullups, and flutter kicks? Can you ,since you started gaining, do these exercises well? Can you do 72 proper form reps of any one of them ,besides pullups, in 2 min? Do you feel like Weight training will help you, or me, get to that point?
    I started lifting around a year ago and could barely do a pull up. I did literally nothing but squat, bench, deadlift, row and press for around 6 months. After 6 months I decided to throw some pull ups into the mix and could comfortably do 7 wide arm pull ups on my first set. Probably more like 10 chin ups. This was after gaining about 7lb in weight too. Haven't tried doing a push up in ages, when I'm out of the office or in the gym later I'll give it a go, 72 in 2min you say? Sounds doable.

    For the record I'm the same height as you and 60lb heavier.
    Last edited by Nezzy; 04-24-2014 at 07:26 AM.
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    Squat = 170kg ... Deadlift = No improvement ... Bench = No Improvement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezzy View Post
    I don't think you'll get better advice than you got from the Airforce forum.

    However, I'd suggest that planning your career at the age of 18 is fairly ambitious, go to uni, study hard, meet new people, share ideas with them, join a sports team, join a non sports team, travel, if after 3 years of uni you still want to become a ranger or pararescueman, then go ahead.
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    Your ranger was spot on too
    being 130 pounds at 5'11 your not really built for boxing or to be a ranger. You need to eat my man..
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    why would you go to an air force forum to get advice on being a ranger? freckin air craps are in the country club drinking while us grunts are beating the bush...j/k..kindof
    gain some weight and strength, during ranger training you will lose easily 20-30lbs, what university are you going to? If you plans are really to be a ranger, go to A&M and join the Corps or west point.
    As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another...Proverbs 27:17
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    DHJoe, Pararescuemen are tier one Airforce special forces. The above answer was one I got when posting on a Pararescue forum.

    I have asked former SEALs, Rangers, and Pararescuemen. They all indicated boxing. Then I realized I only got the opinion of half of the field. So now I'm asking weight trainers.

    I want to start something now so when I finish college and make my final decision it won't be based off wheather I'm fit enough. If I say no then I want it to be because I didnt want it.

    How would you gain a pound a week Nezzy? I thought it was Hard to gain weight form what little I read.

    Thanks for your time!

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    Just a thought but what if you weight train for 6-8 months and call it a bulk....
    Then, go to that boxing class and gain some stamina and endurance. Do this every year for a couple and im sure you will be well prepped for air force. I was 5-10 140 when i graduated high school. Your weight will come as you age......I currently weigh 220 at 6-3. Either way, eat some food.....and then eat some more food. If you feel like youre going to throw up, youve eaten enough food that sitting. Good luck bro...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardis View Post
    How would you gain a pound a week Nezzy? I thought it was Hard to gain weight form what little I read.

    Thanks for your time!
    Open mouth, put food in mouth, chew, swallow, repeat as required.
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    2014 Gym PRs
    Squat = 162.5kg ...... Deadlift = 192.5kg ...... Bench = 105kg
    2015 Gym PRs
    Squat = 170kg ... Deadlift = No improvement ... Bench = No Improvement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezzy View Post
    Open mouth, put food in mouth, chew, swallow, repeat as required.
    simplicity at its finest.
    As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another...Proverbs 27:17
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    LOL thats great Nezzy. I like difranchise's idea. I may do that. Thanks for all the help guys!
    I'm still open to all other thoughts and ideas.
    Last edited by Sardis; 04-24-2014 at 02:01 PM.

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    I really would like to hear how you fair on the 72 reps Nezzy. If any of you want, you can do the PAST test that they give you to qualify for pararescue training. This is where you can find it usmilitary.about.com/cs/airforcejoin/a/parapast.htm

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    Just saw this, I posted in your other thread.
    What is cardio? --- http://www.muscleandstrength.com/forum/threads/78127-Cardio-What-is-it?highlight=

    Bodyspace --- http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/JBWarren70/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardis View Post
    LOL thats great Nezzy. I like difranchise's idea. I may do that. Thanks for all the help guys!
    I'm still open to all other thoughts and ideas.
    If you dont want to eat for your goal, then dont expect to reach it...
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    Sorry LayzieBone085, you are right. I'm doing all I know to eat right and eat more.
    Which thread JamesWarren? I have a few of them...
    Thank you all for your answers!
    Last edited by Sardis; 04-24-2014 at 11:57 PM.

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    If you know your problem, time to address it and make the necessary changes.
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    Yes sir Layziebone085. Thank you all!

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    Ok, so first off I'd like to say I was focussed on perfect form, elbows tucked, back straight, full depth and ROM.

    Final result: 54 push ups in 2 minutes.

    Think if I'd paced myself differently I may have managed 60 but definitely harder than I thought. Still not bad considering I haven't done a single push up in over a year.
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    Great Nezzy! Thanks!

 

 

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